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Well, it’s supposed to be like really pleasure to read, to read and observe and is from visual visual point of view. It should have nice curves, so those those curves I trying to put into in tonight’s today and make it make it look.

Nice welcome to the night junkie, podcast your weekly dose of knife news and information about knives and knife collecting here’s your hosts Jim person above the knife, junkie, DeMarco, well, hello, knife junkies and welcome to episode number 106 of the knife, junkie, podcast, I’m Jim person, and I’m Bob DeMarco thanks for joining us. The interview show the weekends Sunday show is where Bob gets a chance to talk to knife makers.

Knife designers YouTube reviewers makers, anyone who loves knives. If you are that person than you know, you are in the right place by joining us here on the knife, junkie, podcast and Bob great interview coming up today from someone you’ve been trying to lure in for a while a knife designer yeah. Today I speak with Poland’s: oh stop hell and oh stop comes up a lot in our supplemental show when we talk about new knife drops because he’s been burning up me he’s been making a lot of designs for Real Steel and other companies, and he has a Line of kitchen knives coming out with real steel that we talked about great guy and very interesting to to talk to someone across the pond way across the pond and and get a knife nuts perspective from over there.

Great guy, all right before we get into that interview, I do want to remind you that if you would like to give us feedback or ask questions or provide topics for future shows, give a call to the listener line at seven two, four, four, six, six, four. Four: eight seven, seven, two four four, six, six, four, four, eight seven. We would love to hear from you so without any further ado. Let’s get into that interview now start looking for your next knife purchase before your last purchase has even arrived, then you’re, probably a knife junkie.

I’m here talking to oh stop Hill, who is in Poland. Oh stop! Thank you so much for joining us on the knife. Junkie, podcast welcome hi Bob. Thank you for inviting me. Oh it’s my pleasure, so I’ve been I I first heard your name on. I first read your name on the side of my metamorph blade and the Real Steel metamorph, my first and favorite front flipper and just a beautiful, beautiful knife, and I wanted to.

I wanted to talk to you and then and then, since having that knife, I’ve been seeing your name pop up, because we on the knife, jockey podcast, we kind of cover new knife drops as they come out and your name keeps popping up and you’ve got this Beautiful style, and so tell me, how did you, how did you get into knife designing? I know you grew up in an art environment. Tell me about that yeah. My father is an artist.

So when I was really young a few months, maybe few years old, he was still studying at Academy of Art in the Ukraine, and I was living with my parents there in a dormitory in a students dorm, and it was like a full of artists all around And I always liked to draw things and to sculpt and to you know, make the artists activities and my father did it all the time, so I was kind of inspired by him and maybe it’s just genes.

I can control it right right. I I too have those genes came down from my my grandfather and through my mother and I went to art school. I can’t imagine growing up in art school, though man that sounds. I was really young, so I don’t remember many of the details, but still it was, I think it was the was the beginning of all of it very formative and then so at some point you moved on and became a medieval armor.

Is that right, you’re making article yeah it was? It was like beginning of of my workshop career. I always was much into into knives into knives knights and the medieval craftsmanship, weapons, armors and stuff, like that, and I’ve spent like two years or a year as a apprenticeship in a local blacksmith or armor workshop. When I was like a teenager – and it was, it was cool experiences. I’ve learned a lot of basics and hand works, and it’s it’s.

It was the beginning of my workshop. Well, explain what you were doing in a medieval armors workshop and how that translates and hua Chi to you. Now it was the mostly on armors, like a full plate, armor and helmets and counters, and all this stuff when which we Forge and form my hammers and my hand, and it was really hard to form – and you know, to control all those big pieces all around. But then, after some time I realized I’m making it only for fun, because no one is wearing it today, so you know I decided to make weapon.

Then it was like a kind of medieval hammer, then a little maybe assault, and then I realized that that swords are not an EDC today. You know no one everything, sorry, I’m yeah into in tonight’s. First, it was like a battle eyes or are very knives like buy units from Kalashnikov from m16. I was learning and searching about it and then, from from time to time, I learned something about those nice, not not only toast, not only bayonets and at some point my friend from the school.

His father was a sailor and he says around the US and he brings an a circa called still a circa, fixed knife and in early 2000 we were at school then. And when I saw this knife and saw how beautifully he chopped the trees and stuff like that, I was really low and realized that I that they want professional life, you know back, then it was really expensive toy for a 40 professional military kind of kind of Thought that’s funny cuz when I was a teenager, my first, you know, as always in denies as a little kid, but the first one that really rang my bell and made me stand up to attention was also a cold steel.

It wasn’t the SRK, it was the original tanto back in back in the late 80s. I saw that thing and I was like oh wow. This changes everything. So it was a cold steel that did that, for you, huh yeah. It was tough. I first like high-end knife, not like a market knife or a cheap one, but the fillers first professional tool. I’ve feel in hand and I worked with and it was a really nice experience. You know not to bend a knife or not to broke the knife.

After a few chops or a few cuts, because nearly back, then it was like some really cheap knives like for a few bucks, and you can’t really work with them properly, yeah, the kind of stuff you pick up at a flea market that comes with understand and Has that smell to it? So when you it so the medieval armors so you’re not only making swords you’re, making them you’re, making armor plates and stuff like that, so you’re you’re, actually hammering all all of those domed shapes for the chest plates and all that exactly.

It was mostly an armored snot way, bus because way, post was like kind of part of this physical thing, but it was mostly on armors, like breast plates and helmets, as you said, did, did working around that kind of stuff, but also figuring out how to make It figuring out how it’s supposed to look. Did that affect your designs downstream like nowadays, do you think your, for instance, your kitchen knives, then new kitchen knives are to be coming out with real steel, they’re beautiful by the way, I think that they’re they’re the first kitchen knives in years that I’ve been like? Maybe I could use a little update in the kitchen.

I really love the way they look, but is there anything about your design process that is still influenced from that European medieval weaponry? I think yes, because my master, the master blacksmith, told me once that when you’re shaping can helmet or a breastplate or any other part of an armor, it should look like, should look and feel like a lady, you know all those curves and stuff. Well, it’s supposed to be like really pleasure to read to read an observant is from visual visual point of view.

It should have nice curves, so those those curves I trying to put into in tonight’s today and make it make it look nice. You know yeah, so you came up drawing things freehand, obviously, as a as a young artist, do you still tell me about your design process, explain how you go about coming up with a knife and then getting it to market now. First, it’s an inspiration. It’s always thoughts from an inspiration.

Like you see a tulip or any other different like part in in your environment that you that inspires you, it could be a flower, it could be an animal, it could be a shape, it could be a doorknob, it was inspiration. Was once a doorknob and then you go to the to your back in my back: there’s always a sketchbook and a pen, so a quick, quick sketch. Then, when I’m backing home, I’m driving the whole thing or driving it from the sketch I’ve made before and that, of course, of course, 2d the computer designing and after Tootsie and checking if everything is work, I do the fruit 3d.

After that, I usually make model and try to fill it in hand if it’s comfortable not and finding the hard spots and stuff like that and after that, it’s basically ready. So when you’re prototyping, you say you make a model, do you? Are you a knife maker as well as designer? Do you have a shop and and all that yeah I have a shop it’s like since three years, maybe I have my own shop and I’m collecting all the necessary stuff to became a real knife maker.

I do things I did a few knives, also fix-it blades, mostly one folding knives, but I really want my knives. My custom knives in the future looks like exactly like on my designs and without real nice machinery. You can’t you can’t do it like that. So I’m still learning still collecting stuff to my workshop, just to maybe start making knives in a year or two, maybe three, when everything will be ready and set up.

So I can make a result. I want well, how do you find the translation process going from the sketch that you that you that you sketch down in your book, which is kind of a free-flowing spirited activity, making a drawing and then going to the more engineering side of things on the computer? What’s that translation, like usually, I lose a few few things during transitions in translations, but it’s also getting more.

You know more harmonic, because when you draw a line on a paper, it’s never a really straight line. When you drew a circle, it’s never a straight circle. Circle and after you translate it in computer, the whole thing becomes really harmonic and with knives geometrical shades. I would like geometry in my knives, so every nice, every line meter spot a certain point and each point is connected to the circle and everything became my nice.

Looking thing after a dragon get into computer all right right, so does the you were talking about inspiration, doorknob tulip whatever it is, do you see the inspiration running through the drawing and into the CAD? Does it still exist by the time you get to CAD? I am always trying to keep it as much as I can, but it’s sometimes it’s possible. Sometimes it’s not and when something I became an inspiration, sometimes it it happens to to work out.

But sometimes it’s it’s getting closed in the process and I usual then I just change the name, Oh guys. Well, it takes on a new identity kind of like yeah, exactly yeah, so it starts like a flower and and like an animal, and then you name it completely opposite way and make any knife and only knew I knew about it. So it’s not the problem. Yeah right, so what inspired the metamorph? Then? Okay, that’s that was my entry nice for you.

What was the inspiration for that? The inspiration for that was geometry, like straight lines, shapes simple straight shapes they a few circles, two arcs and and few lines also from flipper. Think it was, I think, okay Excalibur the first floor from flipper I’ve ever seen, yeah. It was really a few years ago and after the poker Excalibur, I didn’t see many from sleepers now on the market right, maybe few of them, maybe not, and I decided to go into into the front flipper thing and also because it’s matched the lines of the Knife because there’s no point sticking out of the outline you know, yeah yeah is in line with the whole thing.

Yeah, it’s an incredibly clean, clean look, and then you came out with the with the second version of that. What inspired the second version? The viewers, I readed, a lot of YouTube articles, like reviews of the metamorph, reading, blogs and stuff, and everyone want to say something. Comment like this is comfortable. This is not. This was okay. This was great. This is not, and many people said it was too slippery because of the plain aluminum handle some of them said I wish did carry pocket clip.

Some of them said. I wish a better steel and I collect those tote rethink it and we connect with real steel guys from you, will steel and discuss all those things and decided to make a better version for customers that is so cool. That’s exactly what we nice junkies! We knife collectors want you know, we want to hear that that knife makers, knife designers are listening and it’s it’s really cool and and not that we want you to bend to our every whim.

But it’s it’s great. You know when you, when you hear a preponderance of people, saying and it’s a little slippery, that that you’re nimble enough to say: okay, let’s, let’s change this yeah, let’s make it better yeah yeah, I think that’s. I think that is one thing: that social media and YouTube have really done for the knife industry and back and forth, and there’s there’s less guessing on the part of the knife maker.

They, you know you can kind of. If you read enough of these review articles, you can kind of tell what people like and what they’re looking for, and you know not that you have to change your self expression which I want to. I want to get into at some point how this is a self-expression for you, but I want to tell you a little bit about my metamorph relationship, so I have the original and actually I had the original.

I sold it to get the new one and then I never got the new one. So I need to get the new one now, but I might have to get both. So I can compare and contrast because that’s kind of how I am, but I came up with this really I I discovered that the metamorph is not only a great EDC knife, but it’s also an excellent reverse grip tactical knife and I look at kind of everything Like weapons and and so I would, I would sort of practice and be cool and and have the metamorph can hide really well in your hand like you’re casually walking up and there it is, and if you use the side of your forefinger, you can make it Flip out and suddenly you’ve got a knife in your head, so I was, I was practicing being cool like that and not so cool.

I ended up stabbing my palm a cut up like a bunch of times, because because I was trying to hotdog it, you know I wasn’t doing it the way you’re supposed to be opening it, and – and that is a testament to how amazingly acute and sharp that Tip that hold, that blade is such a beautiful shape and the tip is amazingly acute yeah. That’s always also. I think I I’m trying to implement in my design the aggressive look, because I think the knife I said tool it’s okay, but everyone knows, has those feelings, especially men’s that when you grab something you want to, you know make it make it look cool.

As I said, make it look dangerous make it look, you know a few factors, they said they call it your factor yet so the tips and not only tips. The whole overlook of the knife, in my opinion, should be very aggressive just to attract attract potential customers. Like I think it’s like with cars like support cars – and you know modern, looking cars like in Lexus Lamborghini, they all have like sleek but kind of aggressive lines and designs.

Yes, and they said at me the metamorph is James Bond aggressive. It’s not it’s not. You know Arnold Schwarzenegger commando aggressive, it’s it’s like how come. How can I wield this like James Bond? Would that’s what I think when I think that such a gentleman right here, yeah yeah, exactly but but with it with an edge? We done that. Take that. So I also read that you went to law school yeah, like I said University, so five years like a full degree and Master desease, and after five years I end up with that and decided to focus on things I really like.

Well, I’ve always thought that it with a law degree you can do anything. You know you can go into any business. You can do anything. You have that great backup actually yeah. It helps probably in setting up a business yeah, exactly sculpture in your business. It was kind of inspiration also for for stuff. I do currently because my master thesis was about knives, locks and other dangerous tools in Polish law.

So I hope I’ve read about it and wrote a master test is about about Lo and knifes and how it’s supposed to work and how it’s working here in Poland and in other different countries in the u.S.. Also so you said the laws governing knives and knocks like knuckle, dusters yeah exactly they treat it like a vapor weapon and you get usually go to jail, yeah possessing heat or using heat or stuff like that.

But I’ve in my muster places I’ve about things but mmm it’s hard to talk about law in English. What’s the overall? What’s the presiding attitude in Poland about knives and and just kind of self defense, and that kind of thing? Actually it’s about nice, it’s really free free to go. You can carry every knife, you can every every block, every blade length, every type of mechanism. So it’s kind of cool the only thing you can’t carry it’s it’s a blade or sharp things object right in an object which is not look like a weapon.

So it’s like sort in umbrellas that you’re in a belt buckle. You know and stuff like that dagger. In a boot he they’re hidden stuff, but if you make it visible, you can carry a sword to concur an axe. It can carry a knife. It’s it’s only got here. Oh my gosh. All my listeners are going to move to Poland I’ll go there first and I’ll. Tell you if it’s really that great yeah, but this in Europe, it’s one of the less.

You can’t find many countries like Poland in Europe in Czech Republic. They have like no almost no restrictions in Hungary, but in Western countries like in Germany, UK France, there are restrictions and play lengths and lock restrictions. So it’s not cool. So what conclusion did you come to in your master? Thesis about polish knife law sounds pretty cool. Yeah it was, it was interesting. I’ve wrote about nice an accent that the conclusion was.

It was written, ok in a right way, but it’s all about the interpretation of the of the law. What we can consider as a knife, where is the blade length when you may say it, it’s forbidden to have a knife under 2, inch blade length, for example. So where did you start to measuring this thing from the cutting edge from the sail from the tip? In a straight line and if you have curvy blades, so it’s like curved or a straight line, you know things like that.

Where are the points and the conclusion was we have to think about about the laws and interpretated in the right way. You know just not to make funny situation because my in my master thesis the funny situation was actually a real one, as I mentioned before, you can’t carry a knight, a knife or a blade which is hidden in something which is not look like a weapon right. Like an umbrella and stuff – and there was a case in Poland with a guy who carry a fix at knife under his arm in a sheet – and he gets stopped by police and go to the court and just said that in his opinion, he was carrying a Knife in a sheet – and she does not look like a weapon, so it’s a hidden knife.

You know I was like kind of ridiculous yeah, that’s absurd yeah and we have to avoid those absurd and you know, punish all the people who carry those hidden weapons, not in the sheets but in a hidden stuff and trying to sneak it into jail into airports Into stuff like that, where knives are forbidden strictly well, you know here we have. We have the 50 states and each state has its own knife laws and they’re all nuts in one way or another and there’s a great group here called knife rights headed up by Doug, Ritter and and they’re going state-by-state and lobbying legislators and getting getting the the Laws change state-by-state, which is great, but it really shines a light on how old our knife laws are.

They they mentioned that you can’t walk around with a bowie knife or a dirt. You know a naval, a naval Dirk or you know, a ballistic knife like out of the 80s. You know the anxiety’s movies and like things that no one carries and and but also restricts, which blades like like it’s West Side Story or rebel without a cause. So I think maybe what they do to avoid absurdity is maybe get an expert involved when they’re writing the legislation.

That’s a does this sound goofy. If we say you can’t carry a Dirk yeah, they haven’t carried those in 150 years, man, okay, so yeah. That was funny urban legend here in Poland and in other Slavic countries about the knife restrictions, because you can’t you can’t carry a blade which is longer than your yeah. Your palm same thing here you do that everywhere, here urban legend, you know and what. Why is so and the smart people say well because if it’s longer it can reach your heart back, not really, because if you’re fat or skinny it can or can’t reach you you get like you know chest like Arnold Schwarzenegger even to to pubs, won’t reach your Heart, yeah and and man I’ve seen some cups that have palms that are, you know, pretty giant, so you don’t want to get yeah.

So it’s yeah yeah, look at that! We’ve discovered it. So how did you get to be just describe your process to become a full-time knife maker? I mean you’ve got medieval. Armor you’ve got art school, you I mean you’ve, got an art background, you’re a lawyer or or have a law training. It’s it’s. A very diverse background in training: how did you decide that it was knife making and that you we’re going to go for it and set up a shop and and become full-time, so I was in law school, I’ve still collecting knives.

I have like I said: okay, I’ve put in a circuit. Finally, from cold steel, I bought a spider course: benchmate 7, 1 0, my favorite model and spyderco, tenacious and after I carry some time a tenacious. As my lady see, I decided to to change it. A little bit and back then, I didn’t have a shop, so I just changed it in my computer in a paint the basic program just brush some some stuff I didn’t like and change shape here and there, and they show it on a local forum, internet forum, About knives and people said well, it looks nice, someone said it looks even better than original and was like wow nice.

Ok, so maybe I will try to redesign the spyderco tenacious and I redesigned it and it was kind of a cape and but during those protests I almost created a new knife and realized that it’s easier to make a new one. Then redesign someone, others idea just to fit your requirements and after that some guys from forum said: hey, oh, stop the real steel and then you company back then on the market and looking for a collaboration because, like announcement on their website, we are looking for new Ideas, bla bla bla, and maybe you should try to go there.

No, and that was ok sure I was I’ve, sent them the designs. I sent them the alien egg. The neck knife is called knife handle yeah and they say: ok, let’s do this. After that. We make few more knives like just rip – oh god and kira dashi g5 metamour. Finally, like hoji serious, is from gentlemen: oh ok, alright! So it’s like g5, it’s a gentleman number 5 10 to manabu free. So the idea was to design a modern cool-looking knife for for everyday carry for gentlemen for James Bond, as he said, yeah, and was it so like with that you sleep too now then you model sleep joint from Real Steel.

Ok, yes, oh, I can’t believe I forgot to mention that that is gorgeous. We were talking about that on our our Wednesday podcast a couple of weeks back. I think that’s when you got in touch with me, or maybe it was after we talked about two kitchen knives, but that the G slip is really cool. I think I love the the modern interpretation of the you know of the gentlemen’s of the slip-joint. I love the real long pole too, on the length of the blade and it’s beautiful.

First personally, I hate decisions. Y-Yeah, you know one of our co-hosts on the Thursday night knife show zell rick, who also designs knives with todd knife and tool. He hates them and he’s like. Why would you use one when locking knives exist, exactly yeah, but was like requirements make a slip jones? Okay? I will try to make it my way, because the worst, the worst part incisions for me, are those when they all are open.

They look okay, but in closed position. They are always latest out of the handle somehow because of the type of lock and the pivot rotating point, it’s really lower under the under the law. So in a logistic I / overthink it and make two screws. When you unscrew the g sleep, the main screws, is it right exactly in the middle? But when you see when you take a look at it, you realize it won’t fault. If you put a rotating polled point exactly in the middle of the handle, it should be like way lower.

So when you unscrew the main screw, there is a hidden screw in the other position. So that’s that’s an aesthetic thing. Yes strictly! Oh, I like it just to make it look. You know in one line and exactly in the center. Yes, yes, hard to make it’s impossible to making subjects to make a rotating point in the center right. Well, this is funny because this is a question I ask all the time like how important are aesthetics in your design and it’s in any knife makers, design and in yours.

You know, obviously aesthetics matter a lot, but they don’t impede the utility at all. So to hear that you’ve that that you did that on this knife, just to make it just to make the design like coalesce perfectly it’s kind of cool yeah thanks, it’s the sometimes it’s works. Some designs. Look very nice when you don’t try to feed them to the hands like sometimes I dream about that designing life without all those requirements for finger grip or a sharpie point which will you know, hurt your hand, you can make an eye with it and, for example, Use it in a film or a article game where it doesn’t matter, you know the hand right or not so uh tell me about the kitchen knives.

How did that come about? Was this something an idea you had or did they come to you and describe your design process and what your inspirations were for that? Actually, they was made for an order for an area still they wanted to make a kitchen knives, and they asked me to design one and the region of those kitchen knives was a metamer. To be honest, when you see that a few lines you’re much much the you know the whole thing together and you will see that the metamours inside inside this handle it must be why it resonates with me, but they also.

They also seem to have a bit of a Japanese vibe to me, yeah for, like some talk was filed late, because what that was one of requirements. I’ve looked through some Taku blades and traditional Japanese knives, and also a modern chef’s knives from Europe from us and combined it with metamorph and create some some kind of I’m, not a cook. I I don’t really know how to cook well, but I use knife in the kitchen from time to time and right.

You know I’m trying to do my best to design it well. Well, I was going to ask, I know the the larger, the largest knife. It’s at there are three knives: there’s a chef’s knife like a boning knife or utility knife, and then a small paring knife, but the the large chef’s knife has. It has a thicker than traditional stock yeah. What does thatis stock is really thick because they ask about that practical kitchen knives, it’s kind, it was.

It was hard to to much together, because, if it’s tactical and kitchen the same knife, how do you know? How do you combine it and the only way for me, it was like to make it a little bit thicker than usual. So when you, you know, use it on outdoor, I don’t know if everywhere anyone would use a kitchen knife on a camp or somewhere, but right if you can no make it, make it a little bit thicker to make it more tactical location, oh my god! Well, I mean anyone who all you have to do is take a look at it and yeah you all you have to do is build a Kydex sheath for that and – and it can be an all around her – you can have that in the kitchen I mean Sometimes I think, and I am no expert chef at all, but sometimes I like a slightly thicker kitchen blade only because it sometimes I find, though, maybe not as sly, see it’ll separate the thing away from the knife and away from whatever I’m cutting yeah a little Better and get it kind of out of the way, so I can continue working and for frozen stuff.

Today I have kept like two frozen chickens – oh yeah, from my fridge and try to know for them apart as they all float together, and this life worked pretty pretty nice and I have achieve the deep power or break the edge. It was kind of okay like useful, so are those are those knives out on the open market. Yet I think they are on the way to the dealers, okay to the shops and maybe next time we’ll make it not a practical life but the true kitchen life and make it as thin as possible for a cutting lumber stuff for outdoor carry men’s yeah.

But well the, but I did notice the boning knife in a paring knife are quite thin, so it was it’s yeah, so I mean you know yeah. I think you get everything out of that set up in your knife. Making and knife designing. Have you had any mentors along the way anyone who’s shown? You tricks tricks of the trade? Oh designing, yeah, my father, your father. It’s always go through to his to his eyes. When I designed something, I will ascend to him or show to him and ask of his opinions, also a few fellow makers from from Poland and with nice, guys and I’ve asked about opinions and stuff and take off also nice ideas and inspirations from modern 8 important Makers makers all around the world because it’s still growing up and now it’s growing up really fast after you know the few breakthrough.

Have you designing breakthroughs like Hisham template works? We have a certain it was. It was a breakthrough in the design way it’s so it showed that manufacturers can do almost impossible. You know things with crazy, grinds and crazy shapes right and it it’s. It’s really inspirational yeah like that. The new brake brake up nice. So it’s it showed the world that a that that company can produce whatever they kind of want, and they can.

They were also showing designers bring us your crazy stuff, because we can we convert it, because we, when you design thing there, are always restrictions like on how to restrictions. For example, you can’t design hole with exactly sharp angles because it’s usually it’s milled by an end bill and and will has certain radius. So it’s always has to be a radius inside the pocket. You can decide straight square pocket anywhere, you know, so you have to think how to make it right how to make it production possible.

Sometimes you have to think how to make it how to fit in in a price range, because we’re designing 50 bucks knife, it should be simpler. You know to make it and fit in those 50 bucks. When you don’t have no limits, you can design crazy stuff with really tiny holes and a lot of hand sanding and finish finishing and crazy, crazy shapes. So when you send real steel, a design, do you stipulate the materials that I want this to be in and 690 plate, steel and aluminum er? It’s not like.

I want this to be, but it’s like. I really like it to be this way. Even I got ta, so it’s not. I can’t I can do nothing till you know to to say you must do it that way. You they usually pick a steel they have in in the factory. They have like their own design of designers of engineers, which are also discussing all my designs, and I can make suggestions. Usually the companies I work with will still the best tech that we are willing to do in in my way, but sometimes it’s like between choice between m390 and s35 s30v.

So it’s, but both are the good Steel’s and for me it doesn’t really matter if it would be from this premium, steel or other premium steel right right. Just just do the knife right, just honor and God, where you treat it right, because it’s the way we should be done and if it’s a bit premium still it’s it would work. So you you you go to your father for critique and and among artists. You know you have to be able to take critique and and be able to take criticism and and and be able to grow from it.

Oh, but how does that work with the companies you work with we Real Steel, etc? Do they, when you send them a design, do they come back to you and say uh, you know, take a little bit off the tail end, or this I mean do they have a lot to do with how the design evolves or do you send it to Them they put it in their machines and it comes at the beginning. It was like a lot of change. They have to put a design almost a lot of stuff, but after a few years you learn how the companies works, how the big manufacturers are working with.

What are the requirements, the technical requirements for a mass production stuff and you you trying to fit your designs into a certain time on hotter style? And today, usually it’s like few myghte minor change like screw a little bit here until they’re, like sharpie point here and there, but nothing really, which effects a main overall shape. So have you collaborated with when you work to some of the greatest manufacturers? Have you worked with individual knife makers, say in Poland or anywhere else on operations yeah, I work at the beginning when I wasn’t really popular back then, and I’ve designing stuff just for fun and from time to time local makers asked me to.

May you do this design sure I just draw it just make it, but after that I realized that when you design something – and it looks nice and not everyone have the abilities to make it look nice, you know in their shops, so you see the knife and Said well, it’s my design, but I didn’t designed it that way. You know yeah after a few of those try, so makers did a great job yeah. It was like one-to-one exactly or even better than my design, because the whole 3d and the real touch of the maker made the magic, but I decided to go into the bigger manufacturers because they have repeatability and quality.

I will like in my designs, if I designed it that way, they usually do it that way and they can reproduce it that way. Exactly and again it’s hard to do that by hand exactly so they can do to make it to the same metamours and both great and with exact, exactly the same quality. So do you have a a peer group of knife makers in Poland? You have a lot of others doing this and yeah we have like, I don’t know, maybe hundred makers Wow one comment.

Few of them are quite quite popular. We have like a small group of of makers, which friends mostly we meeting few times a year on the barbecue rubbing few beers and discussing well, we said to our wise that we are discussing knife knives and knife design, but it’s not barbecue chicken beer period after And this kind of a business trip, so we have to go there for a few days. You know usually in summer right right.

So how is the knife business? Do you think it’s uh? Do you think it’s somewhere, you want to stay. Is this or or are you a designer and you could kind of design anything? Is it knives period? I think it’s. It’s not only only nice, because I try to design different stuffs like everyday carry tools, but the knives makes me you know, make it the most fancied, I’m making most fun of of the knives, and I think I want to stay into into knives and make it Make myself better and better and and work with with the blades in a folding knives and fix it knives and in a knife related stuff right, so you said EDC tools, or you talked about like pry bars and nuts, and that kind of thing yeah, pry bar Snacks, I’m actually made making a custom blacks by myself.

You know in my in my own workshop and this my pork shop business now beside that time designing knives, but it’s it’s fun too, because there are. There are not so many restrictions as in in a nice. You know yeah and you have to discover a whole new whole new world above max of everyday carry tools of how they look and they really sometimes really much with the knives like in every day carry set. Now you have a similar center, certain knife, certain arc, a pry bar and keychain, and worried calling a spinner and stuff like that, and it’s much all together in there in every day carry set yeah and you have to design a pride yeah and it all has To it all has to be together, it all has to match that you know recognize the designer.

At least it would be so nice to make you know a set of certain eaten items like a knife, a spinner and something and see it all together in someone’s pocket first. So so what do you carry? What knife is in your pocket right now cool the new version of the the first version? Oh yeah, oh yeah. I have a way of opening it with the right front finger. So it’s not slippery toast for me and I use things I never found that slippery.

I just found the blade pokey until I figured out how to how’d. I get my dumb fingers to work so ah stop. Where do you see? Oh stop hell designs in 20 years, where, where are you going to be, I I hope I will have my bigger shop with the abilities to make custom knives, custom, folding, custom, chicks, alive and working queens with other other makers and other companies, mostly companies. I think, as I said, because of the repeatability and quality and now I’m working with the Chinese companies, mostly or almost with like best tech, we Real Steel and others, which you will see in the nearest future, but they’re all Chinese.

So I think I would be nice to not work with someone from Europe or in from us, even just just to try a new and you style that way of working, because working with Chinese people is really nice experience to me. It was really nice and and completely new experience, because it’s completely different than talking with people from Europe and making business with people from Europe or people from us. They have a certain culture of work and stuff like that, and I would really try.

I want to try a different taste of this, of this feeling from us and from Europe yeah, because designing life is only like a part of my job, and I really like to those process of discussing about design. You know exchanging ideas and I just think it to manufacturing facilities and stuff. Like that. You know the design is the only a part of the whole process, and this process usually involves a lot of people.

Meeting new people like, like you, even you know like interviews or discussing with members of factories of any branches, it’s a nice experience for me and I can frame my English skill, which is really your English. I was going to say: let’s do this in Polish, but your English is a little better than my polish. So I decide I would love to see your designs, which just kind of naturally resonate with me across a broad spectrum of I’d love to see a ziti made by oh stop your design by oh stop hell, I think zero tolerance and you would make a cool Knife together, but would be nice yeah yeah to go with it.

Well, it’s it’s nice to hear that you’re! You! You look to spread it far and wide. I think your your designs are awesome and I love how your name keeps popping up and I’ve news and elsewhere. Thank you very much, because every company has its certain style, I’m always trying to fit to the company’s style. You know, because you have your own style like in my mind, trying to keep it in geometrical look and way, but every company has a little bit of details which you have to keep in mind when designing nice for for each company for each grant.

You know they have like certain style, each of them and you have to feed it to their styles, to like, combine your style with style and create a product which will look like, for example, real steel, but also people who say it’s designed by Austin and it In the same way with other company, it’s like we way we way of making we knives, but it’s designed for bio stuff. So you know it’s like combining two types of designs: two types of styles right, the company style and the designer style all right.

Well, before we wrap I to ask you: what would you tell what kind of advice would you give young or not even young, but people who want to go into knife, making a knife designing and want to make it part of their career or their career? What do you have any advice, yeah for a knife designing because I not made many knives yet so for mostly for design parts you have to keep drawing things life sketch all around.

I personally drove like 30 50 nice concept of knives per day. You know. Sometimes it’s three hours of drawing and I can draw 30 50 knives and most of them are not very good, but one two three sometimes four. They are kind of a basic which I can move forward and work on them. So the advice is: keep practicing and drawing things by hand or by computer. If you like it that way, but you know make it many of them and every day biking with every cyclist, with your body.

Training with your very training kit decide with your hand and imagination. Well, there you have it words to live by. Oh stop! Thank you so much for coming on the donkey podcast. It’s been a pleasure to meet and talk to you, sir. Thank you all right. You stay safe and take care. This is Baker, have a knife you want featured or reviewed call the knife. Junkies 24/7 listener line at seven two, four, four, six, six, four, four, eight seven and let us know back on episode, number 106 of the knife, junkie, podcast Jim person here, along with Bob the knife, junkie, DeMarco great interview there with Bob with oh stop.

Interestingly enough, he had had, as we heard a baby the day before you recorded this interview, yeah unbelievable his first child, a son was born the day right before we spoke, and he just sort of casually dropped that okay, right as we were signing off – and I Was amazed that he was so composed and well of course, with with the stay at home orders and such he hasn’t seen, he hadn’t seen the child, yet he won’t see the baby until until the baby’s brought home, but I just thought it was incredibly interesting.

I’d be losing it because I’ve had two children and that’s what happens when I have them. I lose it and he was just cool as a cucumber best wishes and best of luck, oh stop and his family as they grow. One thing about him that really left really resonated with me is aspirational, and that is he’s a true renaissance man. You know he he cut his teeth as a medieval armorer, so I mean he knows how to move steel around shape, steel and and design things for ergonomics.

But then he also went to law school and now he’s a full-time knife designer and and and is getting the machines of slowly acquiring the machines to start prototyping himself, and I just think that’s great III think to be great at one thing: it helps to be Well-Rounded in other categories doesn’t mean you have to be a master at everything right, but but all of those other things, the medieval armory, the the knowledge of law and just the discipline it takes to study and get through.

That must help in in rounding you out as a designer and right, incidentally, I see that in his you kind of see it running through all of his designs, his designs have a language all all his own, I’m starting to see when something comes out. I’m like, oh my, but that’s like that new slip-joint. I can’t remember what it’s called now. It slips in my mind, but the new slip-joint he just came out with through real steel.

I knew immediately. It was his new knight, interesting yeah, starts, start seeing it over and over after we’re not over and over, but you start recognizing it, like. You said over time, yeah nuances right exactly they start to. They start to build up and become identifiable. Also another thing in in speaking with oh stop: there is a thriving polish knife scene and he mentioned troll Sookie who’s, a knife maker.

I’ve been following a long time on IG that I’ve seen on forged in fire and and some other big polish makers over there. It’s a growing community, I think maybe we have to get some of our friends who collect custom foreign knives too, to start looking into it, alright, folks that is going to do it for the weekend edition of the knife, junkie, podcast, but do you want to? Thank you for listening to this interview, show and remind you that Bob comes back on Wednesdays, with the Supplemental where he gets to dive deep and talk about some of the I don’t know knives in his collection knife news, those kind of things and roll things coming Up in the state of the collection this Wednesday, that Bob is going to talk about yes, sir, yes, sir, we’ll just leave it at that.

That’s right! We won’t spoil it. We won’t spoil it too much, but that’s coming up on Wednesday and then of course Thursday. It’s Bob’s live YouTube blog, a live YouTube show on YouTube. The live article show Thursday night knives and that’s at 10 p.M. On Eastern on Thursday night yeah. Well, we’ve we found Jim in recording our regular podcast with the interviews that there were still other things that we /i wanted to talk about knife wise.

But who wants to hear me banter before you have a no stop he’ll interview coming up? You just want to get to the interview, so we broke it out into these other shows. So so you can get those knife drops and those other things, but not have them in the way of getting to a killer interview yeah. So if you want more information on any of those opportunities or links to the knife, junkies, Facebook or Instagram, or any of that good stuff, just visit the knife junkie.

Com, the knife, junkie.Com you’ll, find links to everything and all the shows podcast everything right there. So for Bob, the knife junkie – DeMarco, I’m Jim the knife – newbie person – want to thank you for listening to episode. Number 106 of the knife junkie, podcast thanks for listening to the knife, junkie podcast. If you enjoyed the show, please rate and review with review, the podcast com4 show notes for today’s episode additional resources and to listen to past episodes visit our website the knife junkie.

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